Progressive Christianity: Fact or Fiction

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Under the cover of darkness Monday night, the progressive Christian movement received a strong endorsement. The endorsement was a well funded and concerted smear campaign launched against it; and it was acknowledgement that the progressive movement is indeed progressing.

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I awoke one morning to a facebook post by Diana Butler Bass sharing pictures from friend David Felten, co-founder of Living the Questions and Sr. Pastor of The Fountains United Methodist Church.  He had taken some pictures (shown above and below) of a highly coordinated campaign by eight conservative evangelical churches in Arizona that kicked off the night before to debunk progressive Christianity. In response to the news some progressive Christians were upset.  Some were scared. As for me, I was excited!

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When I saw the above image, my eyes saw a sign that read, “Freedom to Think for Oneself: Right or Wrong?” Having been a church insider for a time I know quite well that the greatest perceived danger to many conservative evangelical church leaders is the idea that their congregants begin to embrace questioning and free thought. They are very threatened by this concept, and rightfully so if their goal is fundamental orthodoxy above all else.

 

In the 300’s CE, the first action that Emperor Constantine and his newly formed Church leadership structure took was to go out and eradicate – by force when necessary – any Christian thought that did not conform to the creeds they had articulated. Free thought impacted their power and control, both physically and spiritually. This went on for over a thousand years thereafter; and that mentality continues to this day.

 

But facts and intellect cannot be squelched forever. With the help of the internet age, and a host of contemporary scholars, it has become clear that the Bible is not inerrant, and that God is not a war mongering, anti-gay, evolution and climate change denying, bearded man floating in the clouds of a six thousand year old universe.

 

The group of churches is also coordinating a six part series to reinforce some ideas which fundamentalist Christians continue to hold dear, such as the virgin birth of Jesus. My view is that if Paul, the most devoted evangelist of Jesus; Peter, the best friend of Jesus; James, the brother of Jesus; and Jesus himself never once mentioned the virgin birth, that it is indeed probably a myth and not worth squabbling over its historicity. But this group of church leaders disagrees and is devoting an entire Sunday to preaching about it in a sermon titled “Why Does It Matter That Jesus Was Born of a Virgin.”

 

When I asked David Felten about it, who is clearly in the crosshairs of this campaign as the only progressive Church in Fountain Hills, he said “It’s hard to imagine how much this kind of publicity would cost if we had to pay for it!” I also talked to ProgressiveChristianity.org’s President, Fred Plumer, who has been at the forefront of the progressive Christian movement for over 20 years. His response was “I think it is great. I believe their actions may unintentionally open up some real questions from people who have never thought about these issues before, and that’s one of the best things that can happen to Christianity.”

 

These theological differences have created two macro camps. One camp embraces change and explores the ramifications. The other camp seems to double down and go to great lengths to deny them. To achieve their goal, the latter camp spends an exorbitant amount of money and time to choke out education and free thought.  The former group chooses to focus on more universal messages such as love, peace, and service.

 

This brings us back to the signs.  The word signs here could be metaphorical too.  Consider the “signs of the times.”  All credible research points to a U.S. church membership that is shrinking and struggling.  All credible data from gen-x’ers and millennials points to a serious disconnect with a judgmental, closed minded, and inwardly focused church. The church is dying, yet it is doubling down under the impression that it just needs to go backwards.  Diana Butler-Bass thinks this may only be the beginning of a nationwide campaign.  I can only hope.  It would be wonderful to hear churchgoers nationwide say “Wow, you mean there are churches down the street where we can follow the examples of Jesus, Peter, James, John, and Paul and not focus on convincing people that Jesus was born of a literal virgin?  I want to go to that church!”

 

So to answer the question of “Progressive Christianity: Fact or Fiction”  Well, it’s clearly fact.  Church leaders can divert a ton of time and money away from serving the poor, freeing the captives, and healing the sick in order to produce signs and campaigns against educated thought, but that is only going to hurt them more. Progressive Church leaders will keep their doors, hearts, and minds open for anyone who want’s to experience a different type of Christianity.

 

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Review & Commentary

  • Leif

    Excellent article. I hope that there is also a national campaign.

    • Murray Everett Phillips

      Knowing how the evangelical movement feels this is the beginning of “persecution” of the faith, it will defintely go “national”.

  • Sara Giambra

    Excellent article!

  • BrotherRog

    Here’s the message that I sent to the progressive Christian congregation
    in Phoenix, AZ that is experiencing bullying from 8 of their
    neighboring churches:

    “Greetings Friends of The Fountains United Methodist Church,

    I enjoyed guest preaching at your church last year and still smile when
    I recall the warmth, welcome, and wondrously diverse yet unified
    members of your fine congregation. I’ve learned about the ugly bullying
    that your congregation is currently experiencing. I’d like to offer a
    few words that may be of help and support to you during this difficult
    time.

    1. This attack wouldn’t be happening — unless you all
    were doing something well enough for others to take notice. 2. Those
    other churches apparently feel threatened because they realize that you
    all are growing – and they aren’t. 3. Their bullying is simply part of
    the death throes of an antiquated and increasingly unhelpful way of
    understanding God and Christianity. 4. Think about all of the wonderful
    free advertizing progressive Christianity and your congregation are now
    receiving! : )

    In response to the question on the banners hung
    from those churches, I’d respond saying: “Yes. Progressive Christianity
    embraces the facts brought forth to us from contemporary science. And,
    progressive Christianity embraces the many myths contained in the Bible
    that convey truth – whether or not all of the events actually happened.”

    My prayers are with you. You’ve got a great pastor and terrific lay
    leadership. Y’all have got this and will weather it just fine. Stay the
    course and keep on progressing! : D

    In Christian love,
    Rev. Roger Wolsey, author, “Kissing Fish: christianity for people who don’t like christianity”

  • Michael E. East

    Hallelujah!
    The shot-gun backfired.

    • Wade Dizdar

      What goes around comes around, every time (though). Learning to love Micah 5:3 is maybe lifelong, lifetime-cyclical. But I’m not sure that was the Question.

  • Stephen Crews Wylder

    I appreciate the gist of the article, but the knee-jerk condemnation of Constantine is unnecessary and unfounded. Constantine rescued the church after Diocletian’s persecution came close to destroying it. While he did attempt to get the church’s bishops to define the position of Christ in the Trinity via the Council of Nicaea, he seems to have wavered between the Athanasian (Orthodox) view and the Arian interpretation. Irenaeus was polemicizing against heresies long before Constantine. It’s easy to say the church was pure and tolerant before Constantine and tyrannical afterward, put history isn’t that simple.

    • Eric Alexander

      With all due respect, the mention of Constantine is not “knee jerk” or unfounded. Nor would a mention be of churches and leaders over the millennia from England, France, Italy, Spain, and America ever since who have used Christianity for control.

    • Jeff Shoup

      How dare you speak against a shibboleth! The story of Constantine’s destruction of pure, unified, open-minded Christianity is a perfect narrative and need not be cluttered by your facts!

    • revmomd

      “. . . I have been long convinced, from the whole tenor of ancient history, that this very event, Constantine’s calling himself a Christian, and pouring in that flood of wealth and honour [power] on the Christian Church, the Clergy in particular, was productive of more evil to the Church than all the ten persecutions put together. From the time that power, riches, and honour of all kinds were heaped upon the Christians, vice of all kinds came in like a flood, both on the Clergy and laity. From the time that the Church and State, the kingdoms of Christ and of the world, were so strangely and unnaturally blended together, Christianity and Heathenism were so thoroughly incorporated with each other, that they will hardly ever be divided till Christ comes to reign upon earth.”–John Wesley, Sermon 102: “Of Former Times”

      • Eric Alexander

        Excellent reference to John Wesley there Revmomd! Nicely done 🙂

        • revmomd

          Thank you, Eric. Sermon 102 is probably my favorite Wesley sermons, in which JW skewers the seemingly inevitable human tendency toward nostalgia for the “good old days that never were.”

        • revmomd

          Thank you, Eric. Sermon 102 is probably my favorite Wesley sermon, in which JW skewers the seemingly inevitable human tendency toward nostalgia for the “good old days that never were.”

    • Janice

      Before Constantine, there was a great diversity among Christians. His purpose was to use Christianity to consolidate his empire, for which he needed to control the message, likewise his successors. I fail to see how that was a good thing, or how it had any real connection with the message of Jesus — who modeled and preached inclusiveness and tolerance of diversity.

  • Jordan Hurley

    Progressive Christianity is not Christianity.

    • of course it is, Jordan, because it follows Jesus’s command: Love God with all your heart, soul and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself.

      • Tim Glendening

        Funny, I didn’t read much about “love” in this article of defensive sarcasm. But then, I am a post-denominational conservative Christian.

        • Well, Tim, the article is not progressive Christianity. It’s an article.

    • George C. Koukouris

      Sure it is. Christianity is an umbrella label that is home to many groups, sects, denominations and movements that identify as Christian and follow some interpretation of a Jesus narrative. No one denomination or group owns the monopoly on Christianity, although many believe they do.

      To say that progressive Christianity is not Christianity is like saying that a stick figure drawing is not art and that the person who drew it is not an artist. That’s an absurd statement.

    • Cat lady

      Well, it’s certainly not for you.

  • please keep us posted on how Fountains United Methodist Church weathers the campaign.

  • George C. Koukouris

    Cultivating a healthy attitude, having a good sense of humor, and keeping loose and casual is much better approach than tensing up in fear and anger, which only makes things worse. We know it’s standard operating procedures for many Christian communities to tighten the reins and pull their communities closer together for fear that they tread over into foreign territories, out of their control and influence.

    After all, what can they [fundamentalists] say that we haven’t already heard a million times? This is a teachable moment for everyone. Let them have their signs.

  • Sereta Richardson

    PROGRESSIVE CHRISTIANITY
    JUST THE FACTS

    FACT #1
    Why we love and accept you whether you whether you believe
    God changes or not.

    FACT #2
    Why we love and accept you whether you believe the Bible is reliable
    or have some doubts.

    FACT #3
    Why we love and accept you whether or not you believe Jesus
    is God.

    FACT #4
    Why we love and accept you whether or not you believe in the
    virgin birth

    FACT # 5
    Why we love and accept you no matter what you believe about
    the resurrection

    FACT # 6
    Why we love and accept you whether or not you believe Jesus
    is the only way.

    FACT #7
    Why we love and accept you no matter where you are on your
    faith journey.

  • Janne A. Clinton

    We went to a church service where they preached that if Mary wasn’t a virgin, the entire Bible was a lie. It was a horrible sermon and we didn’t return to that church.

  • Any time groups feel threatened, they attack. If you feel the very foundation of your faith is being attacked and *needs* to be defended, you should probably examine your faith, because it isn’t in God, who needs no defending.

  • Gregory LaDue

    As a Pastor in a church where I was initially tentative about sharing my progressive bent, I have found a rich vein in that church of people who said, “Thank God, I was afraid to say that I felt the same way and had the same questions.” We just completed the first section of “Living the Questions” and more people are joining us. Under cover of darkness demonstrate what fear can generate. David and Fountain Hills are exemplary of the Christianity that rarely gets the press and we need a different face to Christianity than the Conservative one all too often seen in the media. They did us a great favor and hopefully we can find, as I did in my church, a rich number of people with questions we need to help them explore. Prayers for David Felten and Fountain Hills.
    Pastor Gregory LaDue

  • Jamie Spencer

    Xianity has done remarkable service building a fervent faith based on marvelous fictions. Give them credit. Once we appreciate the literary power of those invented stories, maybe we can move into the real world and bring “god’s kingdom” down to the secular, humane level where it belongs.”Thy kingdom come on earth” without the comma is my aim.

  • Gregory Richmond

    I’m sorry but Progressive Christianity IS Fiction. The Hebrew Scriptures and New Testament presuppose the OBJECTIVE existence of God, OUTSIDE of the human mind. Reject the “myth” of the Virgin Birth by all means, but the words of Paul still remain. “But when the time had fully come, God SENT forth his Son…to REDEEM…that we might receive ADOPTION…” (Galatians 4:4-5). “Unpack” that how you will, but an objective reality is being presented. That is why human beings have accepted Christianity; to APPROPRIATE (through Baptism) a reality OFFERED by God in the hope of ultimate union with God. Surely “to follow the examples of Jesus, Peter”, etc. one is obliged to believe in such an objective reality. Reject such a belief by all means, but don’t call it Christianity. You’re like a Chinese billionaire who still claims to be a Marxist and thinks he lives in a “Communist” country.

    • Janice

      “Presuppose” is not “objective reality.” Approaching scripture expecting “objective reality” is like reading Grimm’s Fairy Tales as “European history.” And no one is “obliged to believe” that Paul is describing, or even attempting to describe, “objective reality” instead of an inner reality, which we are free to interpret and respond to as the spirit moves us. You don’t get to define Christianity for anyone but yourself.

      • Gregory Richmond

        Your first sentence does not make sense. I don’t read Genesis for a history lesson, but the authors believed in a God who would continue to exist when they didn’t (cf. Jesus understanding of Gn 3:6). What do you think Paul IS describing? What reality has he in mind when he mentions Adam. “For as by a man CAME DEATH” (1 Co 15:21). “As the spirit moves us”. What spirit? The “human” spirit, the “spirit” of your imagination, the “Holy Spirit” (which will continue to exist even if every human being ceased to exist in the next 5 minutes)? What do you think was the point of Christian theology over centuries (contra the Arians, Pelagians etc.), but an attempt to try and DEFINE something OBJECTIVE about God/God’s activity? Producing an “outline” of God. What was the point of the Nicene Creed? The Church’s Councils and Creeds show that no one individual is at liberty to “define Christianity” for themselves (Gnostic gospels got short shrift too). Even Luther didn’t change Christianity’s Creed. I am NOT arguing for such Christian “orthodoxy”, but about Progressives having their cake and eating it. They are A-THIESTS, who have thrown out both the baby and the bathwater. Their waffle is not Christianity.

        • Janice

          My first sentence is a direct quote from you — and you made no sense, because no one has to presuppose something that is objective reality. As to the rest: I do not feel the need to explain progressive Christianity to you, who are obviously a troll on this website looking to stir up something. If I am wrong, you will find here many suggestions for scholars who are people of faith whom you can read to enlighten you. Suffice it to say, you read the Bible literally, and you falsely assume that it was meant to be read that way, but the writers of scripture were not–not matter how hard you scream it in caps–trying to “define something objective about God.” It is hubris to imagine that we can, with or without a creed. That is the very reason why the OT in Hebrew does not even speak the name of God, and rejects idols or images of God. And the point of the Nicene Creed was purely political, so Constantine could use Christianity as a state religion. God is not bound by it, nor were Christians of every variety in the lifetime of Jesus and for centuries after — and neither are we.Our faith rests upon the message of Jesus, not how any church has chosen to define, limit, control or use it for worldly purposes.

          • Gregory Richmond

            Your first sentence was not a direct quote from me. I am not a troll, but you seem to be unable to understand plain English; hence the capitals. All I ask is what you/Progressives mean by “God”, as in “God is not bound by…” Did this God exist when dinosaurs roamed the earth? John Dominic Crossan said no, which to me classes him and anyone who agrees with him as an atheist. Because as I actually said “The Hebrew Scriptures and NT presuppose the [REAL] existence of God”; who will continue to exist, even if no human being does so to acknowledge “Him” (please excuse my sexist, patriarchal designation). I DO NOT (pardon me for screaming again) read the Bible literally. I am able to read the Scriptures in Hebrew (a bit rusty these days) and Greek, being a BD (University of London) graduate. I’ll put it simply, do you believe, when you die, that you will meet this God you believe in? P.s. The Hebrew Scriptures do “speak” the name of God; with the consonants YHWH (probably pronounced “Yahweh”), = “He who brings into being/whatever comes into being”. Which may derive from EL the Canaanite deity = “Who brings into being the hosts” With time the “Name” was considered too sacred to be uttered and the Massoretes “pointed” the consonants with the vowels for Adonai (LORD). The mix resulting in “Jehovah” in old English translations.

          • Richard Johnson

            Gregory Richmond can you please let me know what you mean by God. Moreover, is Yahweh which the Bible says is a man of war (Ex. 15:3) from the north of Judah, the same as El the god of Israel?

          • Gregory Richmond

            The point of my comments was to try and determine what progressives like Janice mean when THEY talk of God. A few years ago the BBC in the U.K. broadcast a series of programmes by the conductor Andre Previn, on the history of the orchestra. In the episode devoted to conductors, the opening shot was of Previn vigorously conducting the orchestra. He looked into camera and said “Of course the conductor is absolutely essential to the orchestra”. Whereupon he folded his arms and stood still while the orchestra played on without missing a beat. Similarly for me there is no Conductor (God) “on stage” (Theism) or behind the curtains (Deism); only the (profound) “music” of the Hebrew Scriptures and New Testament, where human belief in God is the reason for their existence. Jesus and Paul believed in a real Conductor/God, as does “traditional” Christianity. I believe progressives share my view, but are not being honest about it. As to YHWH meant to be understood as the same as El, you would need to have a Time Machine, and arrange some sort of symposium with the various editors (J/E/D/P following Wellhausen’s “documentary hypothesis”), of the Hebrew Scriptures. I’m not sure such precision mattered that much to them. Failing a Time Machine I heartily recommend the works of the Rev Dr. Ann Jeffers, (University of London) that cover this sort of question.

  • revmomd

    As a UMC clergywoman, ordained 30 years ago, I can testify that we women were mostly tolerated as tokens until there were enough of us to make our voices heard. When any change agent reaches that tipping point of enough visibility to threaten the status quo, then the pushback comes–in our case, even from those who considered themselves supporters of women clergy. I, too, see it as a positive sign that Progressive Christianity is powerful enough to threaten Fundamentalism’s sense of self-satisfied assumption that they speak for all Christians. It’s all about power–the pity is that it is wielded, merciless and hatefully, in the name of one who “did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking on the form of a slave.” That, to me, is the true idolatry.

  • Wade Dizdar

    The world works in insidious ways… the same pressure on “mainliners” to feel their authority + respect questioned leads “progressives” to bond irrationally to their treasured questions.

  • AMBrose

    Spirituality stands alone. The concept itself transcends all else. The experience of God, i.e., each individual’s experience of his/her’s One True Self, is his/her’s alone. Their can be no surrogates in between, for “God” has a million names and always will continue to have such until all humanity, like all religions is/are “brought together like beads on one string” We are all God becoming-that is the goal of all life;(what else does ‘union with’ mean?); all religions when they are true to that concept become 100% supportive of spirituality. Along with ‘progressive Christianity’, the human race is in dire need of progressive Islam, progressive Buddhism, progressive Judaism, etc.; until the illusionary dualistic mentality of we humans reaches the apex of its negative impressions and the world cries out to the Almighty for surcease(which will be delivered-His promise, guaranteed!!!) only then will the destined “New Humanity” begin to flourish.

  • patrick

    The pilgrimage of faith I have come to
    embrace began, I think, at the timely intersection of what Marcus
    Borg calls the age of critical thinking (approximately adolescence)
    and my seeing the movie “Elmer Gantry”.

    At one point in the story Elmer Gantry
    asks a cynical reporter, “What’s the matter Jimbo? Don’t you
    believe?” to which the reporter replies, “I would like to.”
    That statement was profound to me and remains so. My pilgrimage is
    about trying to fulfill that desire …the desire to believe.

    The challenge to believe was, and is
    for me, to find that which is believable. Thus began this pilgrimage
    to distill from all of the different understandings of scripture to
    at least a kernel, a seed, of what I could accept and thus believe.
    Hopefully this seed would grow into an understanding that would serve
    those elements that a deeply believed and accepted faith can provide.

    For several years I have desired to
    resolve this. I have sought wisdom in many places and from many
    people whom I felt should have been able to answer my questions.
    There have also been a few churches along this way. Fundamentalism,
    literal interpretation of scripture is not, for the most part, the
    answer for me because too much of it is simply unbelievable. Trying
    to accept fundamentalism requires me to twist my logic like a pretzel
    and attempt mental gymnastics which I find impossible.

    I was totally unaware there was a
    church anywhere, especially in my hometown, that was progressive. I
    simply stumbled, in a way, into our local United Church of Christ.
    Thus began my relationship with this church, with progressive
    Christianity, and with the pastors. I found a source of believable
    religious concepts. The pastors have been, to a large degree, my
    guide. Perhaps not directing me specifically but by encouraging me
    to seek answers and ask questions of myself and others. Many of
    these questions would be considered inappropriate, if not
    blasphemous, by any other church in our community. They also
    encouraged me to expand my knowledge.

    I have been heavily influenced by the
    writings of a number of progressives most especially John Shelby
    Spong and Marcus Borg. I have been enlightened by the Progressive
    Christianity organization and their videos.

    To quote Paul Tillich, “The opposite
    of faith is not doubt but certainty.”

    • MarciaX

      If you haven’t read the novel “Elmer Gantry,” you should. Sinclair Lewis had a very thorough understanding of the theological disagreements between fundamentalists and what were then called “modernists,” a debate that hasn’t really changed since the ’20s (about the only difference is that back then it was occurring ~within~ the mainline denominations, and nowadays it mainly occurs ~between~ mainline and evangelical denominations). He spends a lot of time in the book detailing the various arguments on both sides through several of his characters. The movie, while entertaining and well made, doesn’t really go there (it would have to be several hours longer if it did).

      • patrick

        I have not read the book but at your suggestion I intend to and I am looking forward to that. However, my comment about the movie was the meaning (for me) of the short conversation between the cynic (reporter) and the “pretender” (Gantry) and how that has impacted me for years. Even in the midst of these two “non-believers” there is meaning to be drawn. This made me realize that having doubts is more common than we realize and maybe even necessary. Recognizing this has turned out to be necessary for me to find my own path so to speak.

  • Darvin

    It is pointless to argue religion. Everyone thinks they are right and no one really knows for certain, that is why they call it faith and not fact. Just be decent nice people, I hope God is not as petty as humans and if you are Christian try being Christ-like instead of pimping the bible for your own agenda and using it to prove your point, if you believe in God then leave it to God not your own meanderings about who is right or wrong or what a person should or should not believe and think. power to the peaceful people.

    Sent from my iPhone

  • Carlos Rogelio Gonzalez Weins

    To belief or ague about what? A set of propositions? Which ones? There are no certitudes offered that are reliable. Instead what we Christians need to do is to begin to practice faithfulness, loyalty to whatever tradition we belong to. Several centuries of arguing and disagreeing about what the right doctrines or set of beliefs are. Most of them offer doubt, insecurity and they tend to be quite disappointing. Let us practice what the church has given us for centuries. Baptism, communion, confession, truth telling, prayer, compassion and forgiveness. All of it on Sundays during our beautiful liturgical service. They will help us transform our lives to change the world. If the church is true to those principles our way of being in the world will definitely stand against its predatory script.

  • marriea

    First of all, I believe deeply in the concepts of living that has been attributed to the one called Jesus. Secondly, I believe deeply in the existence of a deity called God. I believe that this deity transcends religion. I have come to believe that religion is a man-made concept.
    I have a lot of trouble with religion in terms of ‘my way or the high- way concepts’ It feels so country clubs. I have no problem accepting any person’s beliefs system if that is what they need to make it thru the day. What I do have a problem with is the constant in-fighting about how to worship the one we call God. I truly don’t think God cares about how one approaches HIM/HER/OR IT as long as one does it with reverence and sincerely.
    And finally, as for these churches who feel the need to put down other ways of worshiping our Creator, I think this is not about God but about politics. I truly find no difference in way these ‘Christian’ churches act than I do in Muslim sects who try and dictate their ways of practice on others. God created many different things in this world. Just as there are different breeds of plants and animals, there are differences in people that populate our earth, our world. What they believe and how they practice is between God and themselves. No human/mortal intervention is necessary and in most cases not wanted nor welcomed.

  • For those who are interested, more than twenty pastors in the Presbytery of Grand Canyon, where the Rev. Bill Good is a member (one of the eight churches participating in this action against Progressive Christianity), have signed a response. You can find it here: http://www.faithandcoffee.com/2015/05/faith-fight-fountain-hills-arizona.html.

    Others from outside the Presbytery of Grand Canyon have asked to sign on. So, if anyone would like to sign the response, you can add your name in the comments. I hope this is helpful.

    • meh…

      To say that Jesus “loved all without judgement” against perversions, Jesus spoke against those who were even worse than Sodom (ie: Sodomy), the people who went to hell (1 Peter 3:9). So, God sent those to hell who followed sodomy in Sodom!.

      Jesus called a Syro-Phoenician woman a dog who was unwilling to follow God’s commands (she repented and her daughter was exorcised of a demon).

      Jesus Whipped the thieving money-changers in the Temple.

      Which one of these acts was in your category of ” free love” for all, given without any discernment of right and wrong?
      Jesus did not heal everyone, but He was willing to teach everyone how to follow a clean life. Those who followed Jesus were healed, others were not healed.

    • (((Suzuki Nathie)))

      You’re a creepy old queen. One can only imagine how many altar boys have nightmares about you. You sicken me. I would use your mouth for a toilet bowl.

  • magsc

    How sad that Christianity has moved so far away from the humble beginnings of The Way. Whatever happened to our Jewish roots coming from Micah 6:8 …and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God? Or the admonition of that wonderful Jewish rabbi, Jesus in Matt.25: 35 &36 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me. I cannot help but think of how the money used to make those banners could have been used to further what Jesus asked of us above.

    • meh…

      Judas said something similar when he wanted to take the money from oil oil that anointed Jesus before His death.
      You are more concerned with money than truth. And in a false attempt at mercy, you degenerate the truth of a pure heart and lifestyle with so-called :free love”.
      It didn’t work with Sodom (sodomy means homosexual perversion), and it won’t last today either.
      The evil spirits who defile the minds of the young will have the right to keep those in dark realms who teach homosexual perversion as a right.

  • meh…

    There is only one kind of Christianity. Jude 1:7 says,”In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion.” ,

    which supports LEV 18:12,”You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

    If Jesus memorized the Bible on earth, and as a spirit, sent those messages from Heaven to Israel before He was born, then homosexuality is an abomination.

    Proverbs 14:12 “There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.”

    Hence “progressive Christianity” is no different than “progressive politics”, (communism/dictatorship) which is a masked lie, repackaged perversion to trick the innocent and unaware!